Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2003 1:47 am
just want a simple poll ;0
just want a simple poll ;0
What do you mean by legitimate? Is it justified or is it for real or what?
2 legit 2 quit
What do you mean by legitimate? ?Is it justified or is it for real or what?
justified
the vote is even steven
who is iraq?
2 legit 2 quit
Hey! I was going to say that. Great minds DO think alike.
This war? No. A war with the UN mandate to force Iraq destroy the WOMD could be justified but not this one.
Edit: fuck... believe it or not but I actually voted accidentally "Yes" when I meant to vote "No".
UN is a joke and serves no purpose.
voted legit
go united states :cool:
vote legit
Iraq lost the "first" Gulf War and so was given certain obligations. Saddam, however, did not follow through with these obligations. That's like surrendering to the enemy but suffering no reprecussions. We should have killed off Saddam years ago, but I'm afraid we're too god damn "generous". This time, we need to go in and put him down.
This is basically the same crap that went down in both World Wars. Germany was beaten and was given obligations, but eventually it ignored them and started building up its army. Meanwhile, the rest of the world did absolutely jack shit about it. And (who would have thought) Germany then launches us into a second World War that results in the deaths of millions.
If the UN is to be taken seriously, it needs to punish. You can't expect an organization such as that to be truly effective if it only has empty threats. The UN has been dealing with Saddam for too many fucking years and he is still the insolent son of a bitch he always has been. If he's dismantled or destroyed his facilities and weapons, he's given no evidence of doing so. In fact, he's still been developing WOMD despite being told not to. He's still been an oppressive dictator from Day 1. And he has generally been a very slippery prick when it comes to the UN. I find it rather ironic and sad that America has to deliver the consequences the UN promised, but also be the one to "fracture" the UN because some other countries can't stick to their word.
As for the bombing of civilians, tough shit. Don't take this the wrong way. I think that the killing of innocents is bad too, but it's what happens during war. If anything, blame Saddam. He basically put this on himself. In any case, Saddam has been giving his civilians weapons and many of these civilians WILL use them. And I don't go for this "Saddam forced them to" bullshit. If I see US soldiers running towards me, I rush over to them and get saved, because I highly doubt Saddam will be standing right next to me with a gun pointed at my head. These people have been brought up and force fed the "US is Evil" crappola because, hey, we happen to a big bad superpower.
As for the Anti-War folks... no offence. Really, I respect you and fully realize that your intentions are good, but I just don't see how it's gonna time. The two most commonly suggested plans I've heard are these: 1. Give them more time. 2. Establish a US military force that wouldn't wage war, but instead see to the disarmament of Iraq. Well, here's why I disagree with them.
1. Saddam has had over ten long years. He's had enough time.
2. There is no way in Hell that we are going to send in our own troops for years and years on end just to disarm Iraq. These soldiers have lives and families as well. Stationing them there would be stupid and we can't expect them to just sit around in Iraq for years, especially when their lives will constantly be in jeapordy. And the costs would astronomical. Even if we did fully disarm Iraq and then left, do you think that would stop good ol' Hussein? If you know anything about his history, then it should be quite obvious that he'd just keep on producing them in Iraq or perhaps another location. He's not going to just roll over and let you play peacekeeper in his territory. Such a plan would only make US troops more prone to spontaneous attacks and a whole buttload of work for nothing.
However, there are still reasons for the war that I do not approve of. I think that anybody here can recognize that a war on Iraq will avert the eyes from a slumping US economy. Oil may also be an objective, but Saddam will probably just set it all on fire if he feels the jig is up. I also think that US governments findings of supposed ties to Al Qaeda are bullshit as well. I am for the war, but I think that the US is fighting for too many of the wrong reasons.
But that's the end of my rant. I hope this will end as quickly and painlessly as possible with as few innocent casualties as possible.
P.S. I also think it's amusing that America gets bitched at for doing nothing, but still gets crap flinged at it when it DOES do something.